Saturday, September 06, 2008

Lulu Wonders If The PM Realises That Ahmad Ismail Is Also Refering To His GrandPa As A Squatter

"When Malaya was under the British rule, they brought in Chinese and Indians to work in tin mines and rubber plantations," said Ahmad.
"The British built more schools at the mines and this unfairness led to the Chinese being more educated, although this is Tanah Melayu," he added referring to the Malay name of British Malaya.
"The Chinese were indeed squatters at that time," said Ahmad.
"I will not apologise. This is an undisputed political history," he added.

AAB's grandfather was Ha Su-chiang (also known as Hassan), was a Chinese Muslim who came from Sanya in Hainan.

Some people say that Mahathir's father was a school teacher of part-Indian origin, specifically Malayalee (people who speak Malayalam not to be confused with Malay), whose father having migrated from the southern state of Kerala.
also squatter?

What about Khir Toyo whose father, Joyo Erodikromo, was an immigrant from Java, Indonesia.
yet another squatter?

AAB, MM and KT's fathers/grandfathers weren't squatters. They moved here for their own reasons and made this home.
Just like Lulu's grandparents and greatgrandparents.
and probably your grandparents/greatgrandparents/great[x10------]grandparents too.
We are here to stay.
This is my home, your home, our home.


Khun Pana said...

Aiyo , why don't you tell us earlier lah Lulu.
No wonder that ahmad is fuming mad lah.
Ahmad had a dream, he dreamed that umno is for melayu and nothing but for melayu solely and only.
Will be a complete nightmare now knowing that Tun Mamak is NOT a melayu but a ciplak melayu.
And the story still not end.
Then came along badawi , his "ahkong" is a chinese hainan chicken rice! badawi also a ciplak !
Now, i understand why ahmad so fuming mad. He have a squatter sitting in his party as president!
If mic people reading this, please go check if samy value is an indian or a paki.
We dont want mic people fuming mad finding out semi value is not an Indian.
I have a good laugh writing this.

Antares said...

This means Anwar Ibrahim will be our first all-Malay prime minister. Unless Umno genealogists unearth evidence that his maternal great-great-grandmother was a Jewish virgin ;-)

wits0 said...

Their mouths were never coupled with their brains - it's that obvious.
With such "leaders", progress for the country becomes like lead sled and this is well demonstrated already.

Billy said...

If fact the Malays [if there were true Malays] have done so much of cross-breeding (with Europeans, Japanese, Chinese, Indians, Eurasians, etc] that I wonder whether there is any pure full blooded Malay living among us. Look at our PM, he has Chinese blood in him. He then married the late Endon who had Japanese blood in her. What the off-springs be? Now the PM married an Eurasian who descended from the Portuguese and if they do have off-springs, what would they be? If one were to carry out a DNA test on all the Malays living in this country, maybe 20% qualify to be called truly Malays in every sense of the word. I don't know much about this Ahmad Ismail fella, but if one were to trace his roots, he may not be a genuine Malay at all, but a psuedo one.

wits0 said...

Then there're all those Penang supporters for that rogue of which 6 of the 13 umno divisions heads there are mamaks. Heard that there's gonna be a boycott of mamak biz.

Wait for the screams of, "RACISM". Haha!

Karma, ler. Their past comes back as a whiplash.

wits0 said...

Eight generation Damien is none too amused either :
Arrogant Ahmad son of UMNO

Anonymous said...

Actually why are people so angry with Ahmad? Isn't his statement a fact? I mean my ancestors are immigrant and, that is a fact.

I have not heard what he said in full. But, did he really say that today's Chinese/Indian are still immigrant, or are people just fuming for nothing?

Anonymous said...

We have overlooked the fact that his statement did not win the by-election for UMNO. In short, we should acknowledge and applaud the majority of Malaysians, irrespective of races, who no longer tolerate racist's remark. We should dwell on this positive development instead of playing into his tune; giving him unnecessary attention and the center stage. The more we criticized him negatively, the more emboldened his support will become and the lies repeated ofter enough might become the 'truth'. Just leave him alone in his own self contained boredom and despair. whispering9

einaza said...

if khir toyo dad is indon immigrant, does it mean that he's a malay Malaysian?
just wonder.. as far as i know u need to follow your dad race not your mum race?

Billy said...

To Anonymous: It is not so much what this Ahmad guy had said. It is more how he said it and where he said it, coupled with the tone and articulation. He can tell till kingdom come that it was a fact that Chinese are squatters, and we don't dispute that, but to say it during a political campaign is not the right platform. Back in the 60s, my Malay class mates would call me "Chinaman" and I would call them "Melayu". We took it all in good spirits. Try calling each that now and you will see those UMNO fellas making a beeline to the police station to make a report claiming it was sedition. The UMNO Malays must learn this important aspect of communication, "Mean what you say but never be mean in what you say" period.

myop101 said...

dear lulu,

this is all a sandiwara. a pathetic one kept being played to make them appear to be relevant to us. they of course hope we will keeping voting them back to power and you know the rest of the story...

thinking said...

hear, hear, Lulu! :D

thinking said...

anon @ 1.50pm

You have a valid concern. I think that unless someone took a video or sound recording of the event itself and releases it into public domain, whether Ahmad really meant malice behind his purported speech is a "he-said-she-said" scenario.

Having said that, in the absence of irrefutable proof like a video or tape recording, we can draw our conclusions about what Ahmad actually meant by looking at his words and actions after the event and also at the words and actions of those people close to him/in his party.

IMO, some of the valid points to consider:

1. Why did Ahmad not come out immediately to refute the allegations? Why "disappear" from public view? Even our PM couldn't locate him.

2. After a lot of feet dragging, a seemingly reluctant Najib came forward to issue a non-apology masquerading as an apology on Ahmad's behalf. Clearly Najib was feeling the pressure that that there was justifiable cause for which to apologise to the non-Malays. Keep in mind too, the rumours that Najib was said to be at the actual campaign event when Ahmad supposedly made his racist statements.

3. The PM made a half-hearted attempt (even that is a generous description) to assuage non-Malays concerns by saying that he would advise Ahmad not to repeat such things again. Obviously, this suggests that like Najib, the PM thinks there is justifiable reason to believe that Ahmad said what he was alleged to have said.

4. At no time in the first week or so after the (racist comments) event was first reported in the mainstream newspapers did the PM, Najib or any prominent UMNO leader/politician come forward to condemn racist statements against non-Malays. It was only when it became apparent how upset the non-Malays were that the PM and DPM attempted to cobble some half-hearted statements together. Even if Ahmad is vindicated (i.e. it can be proven he didn't mean malice), they should have been the first to come forward and roundly condemn any incidence of politicians or anyone using racism to garner political support. Their silence and lethargic response are likely to be interpreted by many Malaysians as tacitly supporting the actions of those who have spouted such racist statements against non-Malays, in the past and in the future.

5. Watch the video of the ntv7 news item of Ahmad's press conference:

One of the most damning things about this is that Ahmad himself did not condemn racism and did not even bother to reassure those watching that Malaysia is for all Malaysians. Even if he was taken out of context in his earlier comments, his reluctance to speak up in favour for Malaysian non-Malays throws much suspicion on his claims of not being a racist. Instead, one of the first sentences to come out of his mouth is "Ini Tanah Melayu".

Umm...I thought this was Malaysia? Why is it so important for him to emphasize so much on Indians and Chinese being pendatang? It's been 51 years since Malaya gained independence from the British. Under the Constitution, citizenship was given to all those who were born there before independence, born there in the years after independence, and who were permanent residents in Malaya at the time of independence.Later this definition was also extended to cover Sarawak and Sabah. So what's all this pendatang business coming from Ahmad's mouth during the press conference?

It's 51 years after Merdeka (45 years for East Malaysians) for crying out loud! As Billy said earlier, using pendatang to label non-Malays has no place in an election speech, even one targeted at a predominantly Malay audience. I can only surmise Ahmad's intents were to cause mischief. Under the Constitution, my immediate family and I are already Malaysians because we were born here. My grandparents migrated from China to Malaysia before independence, so under the Constitution, they are already Malaysians too. So, how many generations does my family and I need to live here before we are finally released from the label of pendatang by the likes of Ahmad? To me, he seems to have a problem differentiating between nationality and ethnicity. My family and I are ethnic Chinese, but our nationality is indisputably Malaysian.

Another thing: if Ahmad did not want to apologise because he really did not make the supposed racist comments, fine. I can understand that. He could still have spoken out against racism. BUT HE DIDN'T. His silence on condemning racism against non-Malays and his emphasis on Malay rights speaks volumes about his actual views towards non-Malays.

Anyway, I've said enough. I'll follow whispering9's advice and leave Ahmad alone for now. Ahmad's gotten more attention for his 15 minutes of fame than he truly deserves.

thinking said...

The smoking gun!

Sunday September 7, 2008

Reporters confirm hearing Ahmad’s racist remark

GEORGE TOWN: Two reporters have vouched for the accuracy of Sin Chew Daily’s report on Bukit Bendara Umno division chairman Datuk Ahmad Ismail’s racist remark.

Guang Ming Daily journalist Lee Kelvin said he was sure he heard Ahmad utter “orang Cina cuma tumpang di sini sahaja” (the Chinese are only squatting here).

“I was following Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak’s second assignment in Kampung Pelet. It was only when Ahmad gradually spoke louder towards the end of the speech that the phrase caught my attention,” he said.

Nanyang Siang Pau journalist Tan Ming Xao said he was also there when Ahmad uttered the remark.

“Najib was already there when I arrived. I’m sure I heard that remark from Ahmad,” he said.

Sin Chew Daily journalist Tan Hoon Cheng wrote in the newspaper yesterday that she did not mishear the remarks.

Tan said Ahmad was talking about PKR leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim and whether DAP adviser Lim Kit Siang would be the next deputy prime minister. She said Ahmad then asked if the people would want Lim to be the prime minister should anything happen to Anwar.

“Then, Ahmad said Chinese are only immigrants and it is impossible for them to achieve equal rights among races’,” she said.

“Another journalist came by and whispered to me, saying ‘How could he say this kind of thing?',” she wrote.

Tan said some of the 200 attendees in the hall turned around and looked at her at the time.

“The look was more of embarrassment,” she added.

Anonymous said...

anon 1:50 AM

yes its a fact tat u r the decentant of immigrant who will forever b a 2nd/3rd class citizen n never have the equal right in here GOT it?

ahmad said it so PLS do not fall into the shit stirer trap, they r so eagerly wait 4 an excuse of darurat

Anonymous said...

Well, I checked my birth cert and it clearly says tempat lahir: Kuala Lumpur.

Ahmad Ismail is a mong. Simple as that.

Anonymous said...

Is tt fler making racist remarks, really really so 'pure' a Ma Lai chai also meh. Juz look at his features ..... one wonders

Anonymous said...

Actually, according to wikipedia, the Malays originated from either Yunnan Province China, Taiwan or New Guinea and then cross breeded for a couple of centuries with the locals and overseas merchants. Therefore, "Malays" actually have chinese roots if the yunnan or taiwan theory is true. So why does ahmad thinks his better than everyone else? After all, dia juga cina.