Tuesday, July 31, 2007
i'm not used to this, so let me read from the statement i have prepared overnight
why active politics?
why not DAP?
if you look around us, esp in the last 4 years since the last GE
berat matanya memandang,
berat lagi beban ku memikul
On the eve of the month of the Merdeka, I am making a pilitical stand by joining DAP.
As a Malaysian, as a parent of a school going child, as an advocate of New Media who blogs, monitors and analyses the trends in digital governance and global competitiveness, I have grave concenrs.
I have a lot of grave concerns for Malaysia if I do not right the wrongs.
[at this point, Lulu realises that there is a copy of his speech going around. So, Lulu gives you the brief...]
His other points
1. Think Malaysian first
2. Foster real racial integration
3. Give us good governance
4. Give us good governance
5. Wake up to knowledge-base economy
6. Overhaul education system
7. Upholding democracy
8. Equitable Distribution of National Wealth
9. Enrich the Joe Public
Jeff ended his speech with the call
I have stopped being superstitious in believing the promises of Abdullah Badaiw
Monday, July 30, 2007
The thing is, if I share, that means the odds would be greater that I can't go.
but that's so NOT Lulu.
Good things are meant to be shared.
I first heard of Dr Muhammad Yunus in 2001 when I was in holiday in London.
Staying in my cousin's house alone with nothing much to do, I searched through her book shelves for a book to read.
I picked up the book "Banker to the Poor: The Autobiography of Muhammad Yunus"
I was amazed and totally awed by the work he had started.
In 1974, Professor Muhammad Yunus, a Bangladeshi economist from Chittagong University, led his students on a field trip to a poor village. They interviewed a woman who made bamboo stools, and learnt that she had to borrow the equivalent of 15p to buy raw bamboo for each stool made. After repaying the middleman, sometimes at rates as high as 10% a week, she was left with a penny profit margin. Had she been able to borrow at more advantageous rates, she would have been able to amass an economic cushion and raise herself above subsistence level.
Realizing that there must be something terribly wrong with the economics he was teaching, Yunus took matters into his own hands, and from his own pocket lent the equivalent of 17pounds to 42 basket-weavers. He found that it was possible with this tiny amount not only to help them survive, but also to create the spark of personal initiative and enterprise necessary to pull themselves out of poverty.
from Biography of Dr. Muhammad Yunus
Basically, Dr Muhammad Yunus and the bank which he later set up known today as the Grameen Bank, provides small loans and training to lenders, mainly women, to do their little cottage industries.
To put it in a local setting, maybe you know of some poor woman, really, really poor.
Maybe she is unable to go out to work because she has to take care of her children at home.
In your conversations with her, you learn that she hand-sews baju kurungs for the young girls staying around the squatter settlement.
Because she stitches it with her hands, she can only do one every two weeks.
Ah..... if she had a sewing machine, she would be able to sew more, much-much more and supplement her income manyfold.
a sewing machine at least costs RM300.
(sorry for the low blow but...) she does not stay in Ijok.
She kais pagi, makan pagi, kais petang, makan petang. How could she afford RM300?
Borrow from the ahLongs?
That would lead her into a life of perpetual slavery should she ever miss a payment.
This is where microcredit comes in.
Small loans, with no collateral in the right hands would go very far.
Can you see how microcredit would work in this woman's life?
Unlike conventional bank Grameen Bank provides credits (Microcredit) to the poor people without any collateral.
As of May, 2006, it has 6.61 million borrowers, 97 percent of whom are women. General banking conception is poor people would not be able to repay; in fact, repayment rates of Grameen Bank reached 99 percent and millions of people came out of poverty using Microcredit concept of Dr. Muhammad Yunus.
WOW to the man and the bank!
so, what's this selfish-selfish stuff?
well, Dr Muhammad Yunus will be speaking at Khazanah Global Lectures On 15 August 2007.
Lulu really wants to hear THE MAN speak.
The Khazanah Merdeka Series Programme is by invitation of Khazanah Nasional. However, there are limited seats available for the public at all KMS programmes. Lulu filled in the registeration form, and what she got was that they can only confirm 3 days before the event. ANd if it is oversubscribed, it will be a lucky draw kinda thing.
Meaning, if I share this with you all, I will have to count on being those di-cabut bertuah.
But some things, and some people, and some great ideas are just too good to not be shared.
If you are keen, and leave is not a problem, or if you are an admirer of Grameen Bank, do fill up the registration form.
I hope to be able to make it, and see you there.
if you havent clicked yet, Dr Yunus and the Grameen Bank were the joint receipients of the Nobel Peace Price in 2006.
Ten Indicators to Assess Poverty level
The 16 decisions of Grameen Bank
You must have read my July 25 post, "First They Came..." and probably 3540 Jalan Sudin's response in Oriental Daily News.
And I assume you have also read Sunday Star (July 29).
Friends are helping me organise a Press Conference tomorrow to let me make a stand for thinking Malaysians.
If you are in town, please come.
Saturday, July 28, 2007
Lulu's rooted here.
This is my country. Negaraku.
I have spent ALL my years here. ALL of it.
To put it very crudely, Lulu has expelled more air from her body via burps and farts compared to a certain son-in-law [the one who bought 2 i-phones when he was in LA] has breathe in and out Malaysia air.
That is how Malaysian I am.
I am a Malaysian. This is my country.
But the accusations and demonising, and the way certain quarters are casting fear upon us all, Lulu was having this feeling like as if the death-eaters and the dementors had set-up their base here.
Is the end of whatever tolerance we have left gone?
It was a dark, dark night. The weather was not helping.
But somehow, Lulu remembered to trust God, and to pray for the nation.
Lulu slept better after that.
ahh.... the next day, Lulu had a chance meeting with Tony Pua who told Lulu there's some good news to be announced soon.
Lulu felt kinda like that -->
A cloud emerging with a silver lining.
A reprieve for us Malaysians
A ray of hope for us bloggers
You wanna know the good news?
Would you like to hear it from the horse's mouth?
Make a date with the DAP fellas
Tuesday 31st July
Food Foundry, Block B, Happy Mansion, Section 17/13
click here for map
if you can make it, bring along your notebook. They have free wireless internet, and you can break the news direct from there.
for the lack of the name of the contact person, i guess you can drop a mail to email@example.com to rsvp. Mainly to help them in estimating headcount for YOUR free food.
if you can't make it, then you'd just have to read it off someone's blog. maybe lulu's. Hope I can make it.
Lulu did say, at least one new cloud with a silver lining?
there may be a second one to come.
is it related to this?
then again maybe not.
it does mention Tuesday though... same day as the Food Foundry bash with the DAP fellas.
Come to Food Foundry, 10:30am and find out.
And for those like Lulu who are considering diversifying into flogging, you can come, do the so-po thing, then the flogging thing. 2in1, like the drink sachets.
Friday, July 27, 2007
thank you ghostline, for that well illustrated story. Could you please drop me a mail so that I can thank you personally?
And mob, cheers to another beautiful poster! All your posters are so apt and absolutely brilliant in hitting the point.
Thursday, July 26, 2007
No crackdown on bloggers - kononnyalah
Umno lodges police report against Malaysia Today
Blogger who posted doctored photo can be jailed
Malaysia cracks down on bloggers
Nazri warns bloggers face harsh laws
Lulu started thinking, hmmm... maybe need to diversify. branch out.... do something safer, like, be a flogger.
Now, if anyone of you out there has his hand up pleading, "Flog me! Flog me!", nooooo........ Lulu has no intention of being a flog-me flogger, but a food blogger flogger.
The floggers have so much fun. They organise food crawls, covering 3-4 makan spots in one night. They get to eat-eat-eat... did you know that Lulu loves to makan?
What do bloggers like Lulu do?
get hauled up to police stations like Nat and RPK
hang out at padangs with candles
okay. we have the noble cause to make a difference in the nation, but still....
So, maybe... if Lulu is successful in this attempt, Lulu may convert and be a flogger.
erh... bear with me, kay?
[oh dear... how would a flogger start her post]
[5 minutes later... oh dear...]
Lulu was in a not-so-good mood the other day.
So, Lulu thought she needed a sugar boost - try out the new donut joint in town that she read about in some blogs.
so i went
I initially could not find the place, but remember reading that it is somewhere near the Apartment. I stood outside the APartment, and looked around.
Could not find it.
Smiled sweetly at the greeter outside, and asked her, "sorry, could you tell me where the donut place is?"
I'm pleased to report back that Malaysian hospitality is well and alive. She pointed me to the place :)
I joined the queue and choose my donuts from their wide variety.
[sorry-ah.. no pictures. I forgot... I'm such a newbie at this!]
I picked 6 donuts
some vanilla thing, peanut butter, oreo, blueberry, almond flake and i forgot what the last one is
[i'm not doing a good job at this, am I?]
they cost rm9.50
no tax yet. note the word "yet". At the rate they are going, I think they'd have to impose the govt tax soon.
As this was my last stop at the Curve, I went back into my car and drove off.
What do you get when you put a hungry lulu in the car with a box of donuts next to her?
Okay. So I started devouring the donuts in the car, as I drove.
From the Curve, I took that whatcha-call-it-toll-highway-which-can-take-you-to-MontKiara to cut to TTDI.
By the time I reached the traffic lights, I had already eaten 2 donuts!
Recalling that this is supposed to be my grand entrance as a flogger, I suddenly remembered that I'm supposed to take some photos of the food sample.
So, at the next red light, Lulu whipped out her camera, and took some shots.
[Sorry, this was the best picture, taking into consideration that it was taken in my car, with just the little light on and rushed for the red light moment. ]
yar... 4 donuts in the picture cos the other two were already in Lulu's tum-tum.
[oh! i'm supposed to describe how they taste!]
they tasted okay.
the peanut butter one - i didnt like. i think they used the cheap stuff which has that yucky oily feel and taste]
my favourite was the oreo.
i really don't know how to describe how they taste.
i guess nicer than dunkin donuts normal stuff
Lulu's favourite has not been dethroned.
The cinammon from Dunkin Donuts is still the best-est!
Have you tasted the cinammon Dunkin Donut? It's really different from the normal ones. Light and tasty with the x factor that Lulu loves.
love it - love it - love it
oh dear... I'm really so bad at this
;-( can't be a flogger. I just don't have the flair OR vocabulary for it.
so, looks like Lulu has to stick to what she does best.
However, this doesn't look like a pretty picture of Lulu, does it?
with all the nonsense going on, I have to start taking precautions and moderate comments.
so far, you all have been such sweethearts, I've hardly had to delete comments.
But the sad reality is, there are nasty people out there hired to plant comments on blogs. Lulu's blog has so far been safe from this form of nastiness. But I think it would be prudent for Lulu in times like these to put up some guard.
So, please, bear with me. Continue to be kind and generous and constructive in your comments.
Adoi! Re-reading this post at 5am, I realised what an utter failure I am at this attempt to be a flogger. I didn't even tell you the name of the Donut joint. *ketuk kepala*
It's Big Apple.
for more authentic flog entries, read it from the flogger queen of Malaysia, Madame Boolicious of Masak-Masak or for other noteworthy blog reviews here
Wednesday, July 25, 2007
Lulu Wonders If MatTyson Not Very Intellingently Walked Into A Trap Set Up By His Rakan Seperjuangan
did you wonder about it like how Lulu is doing now at 6am if he did?
RPK reveals to us in his post that this ex-Menteri Besar with two Muhamads in his name is
a liar who married the late Agong’s and Sultan of Selangor’s daughter and denied it,
who insulted the Malays and Islam by secretly marrying someone’s daughter in another country without the permission of her father
"puzzles" everyone on how an ex-school teacher could afford a RM12 million divorce settlement on a meagre Menteri Besar's salary.
in RPK's interview with Malaysiakini, RPK said that he did not write any articles on the date in question
According to Umno information chief Muhammad Muhammad Taib, who filed yesterday's report against Malaysia Today, the report concerned remarks and articles published on the website on July 11.
RPK checked the archives of the website and there was no article written by him on July 11.
RPK was probably scoffing at them when he said,
"When Umno had a meeting about this issue, they didn't have an article yet. Only while they were drafting the report did they look for an article to support it, not the other way around."
Are you seeing what Lulu sees?
That RPK is a loaded gun and definetly an authority on Mat Tyson's past sins
That RPK, being RPK, would not resist the call to inform us on these truths
Meaning that if Mat Tyson attacked RPK, RPK would bocor all
Was Mat Tyson set-up by his own "rakan seperjuangan"?
RPK at the end of his piece said
You want to make a political comeback.In money politics, there is no such thing as "rakan seperjuangan".
You want to contest a parliament seat in the next general election.
And you want to be made a federal minister when you win that parliament seat.
You hope that the present Deputy Prime Minister, Najib Tun Razak, will fall and that you can take his job.
That is why you made that police report against Malaysia Today and me, Muhamad the son of Muhamad.
Lulu thinks that Mat Tyson walked into a trap, set up by his Umno "friends"
They convinced him that this would be his road to fame. Kau-tim this fella, and you would be the hottest saviour/hero of UMNO.
INstead, Mat Tyson now kena kau-kau. The road which he thought would lead to fame in reality, turns out to be his road to shame.
After these revelation, Mat Tyson would find it hard to climb out of the hole.
And he can forget any seat in Selangor. And there goes his ambition / angan-angan to replace the Islamic state proclaimer.
Lulu doesnt know whether or not to kesiankan this dumb Mat or not
Tuesday, July 24, 2007
Lulu's Glad RPK Is Still Standing, and With A Touch Of Class Lambasts The man With Two Muhamads in His Name
And Raja Petra, with a touch of class, notes that
I understand that this ex-Menteri Besar with two Muhamads in his name can’t speak English. This is what the Australian court said and this is why the court acquitted him of the crime of smuggling dirty money into Australia. This means he also can’t read English. How this ex-Menteri Besar with two Muhamads in his name managed to figure out that I insulted the Agong in my article is beyond me when I write in English and not in Malay. Umno should have chosen another man who can speak English to make that police report against Malaysia Today and me.Go check out his full post at 23/07: See you in hell Muhamad son of Muhamad
and poster boy Mob1900 was quite on target on how he envisioned RPK facing up to his adversaries
Monday, July 23, 2007
And after watching a full array of luluness, these cops kesiankan 'lu and just can't bring themselves to write a ticket to this sweet 'lu.
But now, with this little booklet and their practical tips like
maybe, Lulu won't have to pretend to be such a lulu to get away with stuff.
only problem is, ... erh when Lulu gets disoriented, Lulu becomes a genuine lulu.
Anyway...you can get a copy of the book IF you attend the forum on No Debate on Islamic State? Haris said he will bring copies.
Lulu has explained before, Some Things Lulu Don't Explain Well, So Lulu Recommends You Sites Which Would Do A Better Job , now Lulu has an even better suggestion.
Come to the KL & Selangor Chinese Assembly Hall on the 25th July 2007 (Wednesday) at 7:30 pm,
and hear what
Lim Kit Siang, Parliamentary Opposition Leader
Ambiga Sreenevasan, Malaysia Bar Council President
Malik Imtiaz, Human Rights Lawyer
Tan Sri Khalid Ibrahim, PKR Treasurer
Rev Dr Hermen Shastri, General Secretary, Council of Churches*
Lim Guan Eng, Secretary-General to DAP
have to say on the issue.
And after hearing them, pose them the questions you may have.
Learn from them. If you don't agree with them, share with us why. Let it be a learning experience for everyone there.
Red Book on "Police and Your Basic Rights"
gaining understanding on the implications of Nazri's statement and what the constitution says, mark your calendars for this Wednesday!
Sunday, July 22, 2007
“Stop harping on this. The debate would never end,”
Internal Security Ministry’s Publications Control and Al-Quran Texts Unit senior officer Che Din Yusof, as reported by Malaysiakini
Good thing for you all, whatalulu is not part of the mainstream media. Aint even a mainstream blog, if there is such a thing.
And as for the "stop harping on this", well, Najib shouldn't have said it in the first place.
Now, as a loyal citizen of Malaysia, Lulu is duty bound to correct the wrong that Najib has done. And Lulu is glad of the online correction, both from the Muslims and the non-Muslims, coming forward to remind us of what the constitution says.
The Najib Statement
"Islam is the official religion and Malaysia is an Islamic state, an Islamic state that respects the rights of the non-Muslims and we protect them,"
followed by the Keris-muddin's statement
“Saya beri amaran kepada pemimpin MCA supaya berhenti membuat kenyataan sedemikian. Ingin saya tegaskan, saya bukan pemimpin naif yang akan membenarkan perkara ini berterusan. Amaran saya ialah berhenti membuat kenyataan,”
has caused Lulu to further ponder over the whole issue.
Have you ever committed yourself into something which you shouldn't have with your children, or your friend, only to realise you can't fulfil it? So, maybe you recruit your spouse/children to be the bad guy, stamp the foot a bit, scare everyone into thinking that because of him you can't do it, and you come out looking like the hurt hero?
Maybe, just maybe, MCA realises that they're not in a good position. Say something, their "partner" [without metioning names] in BN is going to kill them. Dont say anything, and they lose all the votes from people who object the notion of the nation being an Islamic state. And being the lapdogs that they are, they know which they need to fear more.
So, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
SO, maybe they get the keris guy to do the bad guy thing. Zoom in on them
Then maybe, they'll look like they cannot say anything, when the intention was memang not to say anything. And maybe keep some votes going their direction.
erhh... you get what Lulu's trying to say or not?
The other thing Lulu was thinking is that, maybe, soon, there will be an "advertisment break", whereby Umno Youth and MCA Youth [Lulu thinketh that it is below-eth the dignity of the head honchos to meet up and discuss something as "trivial" as this] will meet up for a close door meeting, and come out "holding hands" and "smiling", and of course, holding separate press conferences "explaining" how the issue has been "resolved" without, of course, telling us that the resolution is.
All inverted commas are intentional.
this was ditayangkan before-mah...
You can read it on Lulu Can't Help Laughing at OKT's Statement
Wayang kulit... lots of them going around...
Saturday, July 21, 2007
"Islam is the official religion and Malaysia is an Islamic state, an Islamic state that respects the rights of the non-Muslims and we protect them,"
Lulu calls him an attention seeker
what do you call someone who tells people who may try to say the correct thing to shut up?
“Saya beri amaran kepada pemimpin MCA supaya berhenti membuat kenyataan sedemikian. Ingin saya tegaskan, saya bukan pemimpin naif yang akan membenarkan perkara ini berterusan. Amaran saya ialah berhenti membuat kenyataan,”
Lulu calls him a bully
what do you call the leaders of the parties within the multi-racial BN who aren't saying anything?
[no quote because none of the presidents say anything-mah...]
Lulu calls them cowards
what else can you call them?
Lulu would call the lap dogs
Enough name calling for now.
Have you heard of the term "dhimmi"?
Do you know what a dhimmi is?
What are the implications of being a dhimmi?
If you dont know yet, do a search on it. Wikipedia has an extensive write-up, but do also check out google and yahoo.
Lulu doesn't want to be a dhimmi. My rights as a Malaysian citizen should be no different from Ali, Abu and Bakar. There is no need for you to create an Islamic state that kononnya "respects the rights of the non-Muslims".
And in the forthcoming elections, with the knowledge you now possess and knowing the direction that the BN wants to take, you decide whether you want to vote for those attention seekers, bullies, cowards and lapdogs.
Mob1900 and Whatahack (no relation to Whatalulu) have done up really good posters on our predicament.
Friday, July 20, 2007
The ones whom Lulu mentioned are upset , they're the totally mad ones. Mad with passion that is.
In anticipation of the release of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows , they have been doing their "revision" the past two weeks.
They've dug out the #6 & #5 to re-read to make sure that they've not forgotten anything and can recall everything as they read #7. One of them even has taken down notes and posted them on her blog.
And they, being ardent fans, have already pre-ordered and fully paid for the most exciting book to be released, erhh... at least in their eyes.
so, when Lulu buka-ed the newspaper today, Lulu knew she'd have a lot of upset friends. Tesco and Carrefour have joined the Potter-mania, and are offering the book at RM69.90!
I called a couple of them to hear their reaction
"I'm so upset. I feel very cheated". The "i'm so upset" was repeated many times throughout the conversation.
"Aiyo... I already pre-order. Why like that? So unfair. AIyoh. Now I also angry"
Yup. They're upset.
No doubt about it.
ANd they are not alone.
how big an upset - check out the Star's update
Bookstore chains refuse to sell Potter book (update)
KUALA LUMPUR: Four major bookstore chains -- MPH, Popular, Harris and Times -- have confirmed they will not sell Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows in protest against selected hypermarkets being given hefty discounts to sell the book.MPH, Popular, Harris and Times would honor all pre-orders, but all promotional events have been cancelled.
And no new sale will be made on the books.
As far as they are concerned, Harry Potter is siap. bungkus-ed. the end. no more. habis cerita in more ways than one in their stores.
True.. some people like my friend aka "cutie pie" can now get the book at rm69.90, Lulu kesiankan her friends and all the truly loyal die hard fans who pre-ordered and paid RM109.90
Lulu also kesiankan the bookstores which played by the rules and sold at the recommended selling price and now have customers suspecting / accusing them of profiteering.
Lulu thinks the distributors [shame on them!] has a lot to answer to.
How could they play out the retailers?
How could they play out the loyal Potty fans?
Why did they not start upfront with that lower price?
WHy give the lower price on the very first day? I think people would be a bit more forgiving if they did it 1 day later.
It will be a quiet weekend for Lulu as most of her friends would have their nose buried in the book.
What a way to carry a swoop!
Lulu did pause and wonder yesterday, would someone pull a fast one like that on us at the assembly hall?
beyond the SB taking photos, would there be an "invitation list" waiting for us?heh heh... Lulu's been told she has quite a wild imagination. The SB was probably there. But no "invitation list" was checked :D
Remember Lulu's Things which crossed my mind list?
#1. make friends with eli wong.
failed-lah. didn't see her there. maybe Lulu wasnt looking hard enough.
#2. How do I make sure I get adequate legal representation?
Haris Ibrahim of People's Parliament and The Truth of The Matter advises that you empower yourself. Two must reads.
1. The Constitution of Malaysia.
Know the rights bestowed upon you as a citizen of Malaysia from the constitution.
2. The Red Book published by the Bar Council
That book will tell you how to exercise your rights.
You can download a copy on line from Bar Council's site
if you want the real book, beautiful red thing, you can get one free from next week's forum on Najib's declaration, also held at the Chinese Assembly Hall. Haris will bring copies to distribute.
You may not be given access to legal representation in spite of what the constitution says. SO, you need to arm yourself with knowledge. Know what your rights are. Be prepared.
And when the moment comes, at least you know roughly what to do.
However, if you have a lulu-relapse and cant remember anything, refuse don't let them in until your lawyer comes. Haris advice is that you are better off with a charge on resisting arrest, than being lulled into cooperating and signing documents which you are too tired to understand the implications of and allowing people to search your property and risking information planted.
#3. How to stay out of trouble
That's a tough one. If anything, Lulu thinks she heard, "expect trouble", "be prepared for it".
SO, Lulu's got to do the #2 thing.
Jun-E has given a more complete write up on the forum http://www.junex2.blogspot.com/
Nat has a statement on his detention at http://jelas.info/
for those of you who are thinking, wow... lulu gave up her pilgrimage to ikea for nat... erh [way to go gal!] Lulu didnt .
Don't have to-mah...
Lulu did both - go to Ikea and go for the forum.
Lulu self declared an extra long lunch hour and popped over to Ikea. The stuff I wanted was not on sale, but at least Lulu knows. It's a lulu thing. some of you may not understand.
but i'm happy, you're happy, ikea's happy. happy-happy-happy. Have a happy weekend.
Wednesday, July 18, 2007
Now got dilemma.
Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale? Nat Tan forum? Ikea 1st day Sale?
how can Lulu have the best of both worlds?
will Lulu be able to satisfy the perempuan shopper sale gal in here whilst making sure that the closet activist is not neglected?
tune in on Friday to find out if Lulu did manage to have it all or not...
Maybe he intentionally left it that way so that the mullahs and those on the opposite end like Lulu would interpret it in their own interpretation.
if you have a copy of today's Sun, you would have read the reactions, and agree with Lulu that everyone has come up with different versions on their interpretation of the statement
else check it out online at http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=18609
MCA Youth chief Datuk Liow Tiong Lai
Najib's statement that Malaysia is an Islamic should not be taken literally but in a general sense that it is an Islamic country, where the majority of the population is Muslim.
Bar Council president Ambiga Sreenevasan
"Malaysia is a secular state, not an Islamic state. The law is clear about this whereby the supreme court in a 1998 case decided by Lord President Tun Salleh Abbas stated clearly: we are a secular state and the civil court administers secular law.
"Certainly, Islam receives special treatment in the Federal Constitution but that does not mean Malaysia is an Islamic state.
"It does not follow from the provision in Article 3(1) of the Federal Constitution that we are an Islamic state in the legal term.
International Islamic University Malaysia lecturer Prof Dr Abdul Aziz Bari:
"Malaysia is not a secular state because Islam has been put as the "religion of the Federation" by Article 3(1).
"But, it is acceptable to say Malaysia is "an Islamic nation with its own interpretation." Given the sensitivities and ignorance of both Muslims and non-Muslims, such is understandable.
Universiti Teknologi Mara lecturer Prof Dr Shad Saleem Faruqi:
"Malaysia is never secular but at the same time, it is not an Islamic state. We are neither here nor there.
"But we have never emphasised on ideological purity. We are not a theocratic state.
The constitution is the supreme law of the nation. So, it does not permit a conclusion that we are a full-fledged Islamic state.
Opposition Leader and DAP member of Parliament for Ipoh Timur Lim Kit Siang
Najib's statement is a unilateral, arbitrary and unconstitutional revision of the fundamental principles of nation-building agreed by the forefathers of the major communities on the founding of the nation.
It is agreed that while Islam is the official religion of the federation, Malaya and later Malaysia is not an Islamic state, whether of the PAS or Umno variety
You see how mixed up the interpretations are?
anyway, if you're wondering whats the issue with being an Islamic state, Lulu's going to give you 2 links to check out.
The first one found here is an article by Azmi Sharom, Associate Professor in the Law Fac, UM and a cool dude. The article has some thoughts on what it means to be a theocracy
A short take, but please, click the link to read the whole article
But before we get into that, let’s have some definitions. A democracy is a system of government where we the people elect our representatives. They in turn govern the country, making laws and so forth.
Ultimately, power lies with the people. We put them in positions of power and if we don’t like our leaders and the laws they make, we can simply vote them out.
A democracy is also a system where certain freedoms are guaranteed, such as free speech and the freedom of association – all necessary components for a democracy to work properly in the first place.
A theocracy, on the other hand, is not governed by elected officials but by a religious head of state or a religious group. Unlike in a democracy, ordinary people have no say in the laws that are made.
This is because since the laws used in a theocracy are divine, only those with the necessary credentials can make any sort of decision regarding them.
The country we live in now is a secular constitutional democracy. The supreme law is a secular document – the Federal Constitution. The supreme law of the country is not the Torah, not the Bible, not the Quran, not the Vedas.
Another stop Lulu recommends to you to make is Haris Ibrahim's letter to Najib, "Najib, bring forth your truth"
another good stop : Khoo Kay Peng Najib, Don't Politicize Our Constitution
read what a prominent BN politician told him.
Tuesday, July 17, 2007
KUALA LUMPUR, July 17 (Bernama) -- Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said Tuesday Malaysia is not a secular state but an Islamic nation with its own interpretation.He said the country had never been affiliated to secularism but was always driven by the fundamentals of Islam as it is clearly stated in the constitution that Islam is the official religion."Islam is the official religion and we are an Islamic state. But as an Islamic state, it does not mean that we don't respect the non-Muslims. The Muslims and the non-Muslims have their own rights (in this country)," he told reporters after officiating the "International Conference on the Role of Islamic States in a Globalised World" on behalf of Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi at a hotel here.
an Islamic state with its own interpretation
updated [after Lulu got over the "this is scary" and can think clearer]
I've checked with the constitution,
• (1) Islam is the religion of the Federation; but other religions may be practised in peace and harmony in any part of the Federation.
yup. it does not have the "and we are an Islamic state" portion.
bearing in mind Article 160(B)
Article 160B of the Federal Constitution reads :
“Where this Constitution has been translated into the national language, the Yang DiPertuan Agung may prescribe such national language text to be authoritative, and thereafter if there is any conflict or discrepancy between such national language text and the English language text of this Constitution, the national language text SHALL PREVAIL over the English language text”.
it makes Lulu wonder how Article 3(1) is being "translated". WOuld it bear the same as the English text?
It makes me worry about my comments elsewhere. Should i now blog annonymously? Sad indeed.
Lulu too is worried. And Lulu didnt know how to answer that question. sori-ah... not yet reply your mail. Now you know why...
Things which crossed my mind
1. Need to make friends with Elizabeth Wong the activist.
When Rocky got into trouble, she took the initiative to hook him up with the right people. Now she's one of Nat's main activist. Would be good if Lulu gets her number.
2. How do I make sure I get adequate legal representation?
In Lulu's case, its also legal protection cos Lulu gets SO easily bullied.
When asked a series of questions, Lulu gets easily confused, slightly incoherent and starts answering gibberish.
Article 5(3) in the constitution says
• (3) Where a person is arrested he shall be informed as soon as may be of the grounds of his arrest and shall be allowed to consult and be defended by a legal practitioner of his choice.
But look what happened to Nat.
3. Maybe even more basic, how to stay out of trouble
Lulu guesses that the easiest thing would be to stop blogging. err... but I dont think thats the path I want to take for now. Lulu still has so much to say and write about.
I don't know.
BUT maybe, Lulu'll be able to find some answers if she attends to forum In Solidarity with Nat Tan.
Venue: KL & Selangor Chinese Assembly Hall
Date: 19th July 2007 (Thursday)
Time: 7.30 pm
Admission is Free.
Now that you know it is free, bring Friends, kay? you can tell your friends you "belanja masuk". We wont tell on you.
The panel of Distinguished Speakers include:
Nathaniel Tan, Victim, Blogger & Aide to PKR Advisor*
Jeff Ooi, Protem Vice-President, All Blogs Malaysia
Harris Ibrahim, Lawyer & Founder of The People's Parliament
Nurul Izzah Anwar, Special Assistant to PKR Advisor
Lim Guan Eng, Secretary-General of DAP
Tony Pua, Economic Advisor to DAP Secretary-General
Chairperson: Soon Li Tsin, Journalist & Blogger
Hope to see you there.
As for Lulu, Lulu has to tabahkan diri to say hello to EliWong.
yup! yup! looks like Nat will definitely be there.
Per Malaysiakini newsflash,
Nat to be released this noon
Blogger and PKR webmaster Nathaniel Tan will be released today noon after a four-day remand for allegedly breaching the Official Secrets Act.
A press circular released by PKR said that Tan’s lawyer Latheefa Koya was informed about the release by the police this morning.
According to the press statement, 26-year-old Tan would be released 12pm at the Bukit Aman's Cyber Crime Division, Jalan Dato Onn, Bukit Perdana (behind Bank Negara).
Monday, July 16, 2007
AND if it takes too long for them to organise one for you, if you can arrange for 20 or so people, they can come conduct the workshop for you.
One of the things which happens during the warm-up to elections is all kinds of [to put it very kindly... ] "strange" reporting by the mainstream media.
Take for example, what is found in the Star today.
PAS may work with DAP to seize PenangDid that scare you?
KEPALA BATAS: PAS may consider working with DAP to capture Penang in the next general election.
State PAS commissioner Mohd Salleh Man said the move would be considered if it was found to be the best way to beat Barisan Nasional in the state.
“So far both parties have not formally discussed such a pact. But any pact for the best interest of the Opposition would be considered.
“Hopefully, we will get the blessings from the PAS central body before going ahead with the pact,” he told reporters at a joint press conference by PAS and Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR) here yesterday.
Mohd Salleh said the proposed co-operation would be based on current political developments in the state.
Did it look like there are plans for PAS to work in partnership with DAP to capture Penang?
look at how they frame it
PAS may consider
it is still a MAY.
for goodness sake, they're not even considering yet. Just a may consider.
Have you ever told your children that you may consider ___ (fill in the blank according to your own situation) for them? usually, it is followed by a "if" clause.
and definetly at a "may consider" stage, it's nothing concrete at all.
It borderlines wishful thinking.
next question - who in PAS said that
State PAS commissioner Mohd Salleh Man said
is it a direction from the top? no, it's from the state level. Its not from the central body. It has never been discussed. Isolated. terasing. it is not a direction from the top.
It's so sad that the Star has published this wishy-washy piece of news.
What are they hoping to achieve from this?
That Penang readers read this and start panic-ing, thinking that PAS and DAP WILL work together and attempt to takeover the state?
that voting DAP would mean voting for PAS?
which in turn means voting for an Islamic state?
and that the Penang voters will be like "no, no, cannot... " and not vote DAP?
If indeed that was the intention, shame on the Star!
and shame on the powers behind the throne for using such pathetic reporting to scare people.
or is this merely Lulu's imagination working overtime?
The one and only time DAP partnered PAS was in '99, and in that partnership, it was understood that DAP never agreed to an Islamic state. But the papers played out both parties. In the Chinese press, especially in editions for the north, the readers read how the "Islamic state would come upon them in the ruling party lost the elections. In the Malay papers pula, the exact opposite tune was sung.
[source : Lulu's memory from reading BA and Islamic State by Lim Kit Siang. i know, lulu reads the strangest books]
IN 2004, the two parties went separate ways. So separate that they caused a 3-way split on the Puchong seat which either party could have won if the opposition vote was not split.
This piece of "news", Lulu hopes it wasnt because of low life shameless tactics that this "news" came into print.
Lulu hopes that it was something a junior reporter filed in which missed the editor's notice.
Lulu hopes Penang readers do not fall into thinking that this wishful thinking reporting is genuine authentic news.
One of the things Lulu learnt from the workshop is that even Lulu can play a role in reporting correctly what is being reported.
Maybe you're from Penang, or you have parents, relatives or friend in Penang.
Maybe if you're going to see them the next few days, you would like to discuss with them this piece of "news" and ask them what they think about it.
If they have misunderstood it, maybe you could help correct their thinking.
Could you do that please?
Through HAKAM and a coalition of NGOs callled Article 11 (after the constitutional guarantee of freedom of religion) of which HAKAM is a member, he has been actively involved in efforts to promote the rule of law and constitutionalism, particularly in the face of worrying trends of Islamization and race politics in government and wider society.
He further actively promotes a civil rights discourse both in and outside court.
In August 2006, a poster declaring him to be a traitor to Islam and calling for his death began circulating in Malaysia.
Malik Imtiaz blogs at Disquiet.
His latest entry with regards to Nat Tan, also examines Section 8 of the OSA.
Do move on to his blog from here and understand the implications of how OSA is practised here in Malaysia.
Sunday, July 15, 2007
Lulu just doesnt get it
lulu not very bright
and now feel broken hearted for nat, litsin and nat's family.
please, please Free Nat now!
better sites for updates
LiTsin @ http://polytikus.com/
Eli Wong @ http://elizabethwong.wordpress.com/
poster from mob1900 http://mob1900.blogspot.com/
and li tsin, soon li tsin,
your nat will be back holding you
Thursday, July 12, 2007
I wanna have
banana leaf rice
with mutton curry
or fried ikan kembung
with lots and lots of kuah...
with lots of sambal
and beef rendang
banjir-ed with chicken curry
[ok. this one i succumbed and had one last night. it was glorious!]
i miss em all & i want, i want, i want
i want to makan
kinda like kj and his iPhone,
money can earn back, health cannot
anyone else down with this bug?
dunno if the bug itself, or the anti histamines are making me drowsy and giving me a brain freeze.
Focusing on the increased ‘Islam-as I say-tion’ of the nation,
Look at what has happened to Revathi and her family.Do drop by his blog. I've learnt so much from him and his blog.
Look at Lina and the family that she does not have.
Look at how a proposal to improve the election process by the introduction of the use of indelible ink must first be approved by the Fatwa Council.
Look at the raid and seizure at the restaurants in Bangsar recently.
Look at Siti Idayu, the singer detained in Ipoh.
Look at the demolished church in Gua Musang.
Look at the temple demolitions that have occurred.
Look at the constant push to set up religious vigilante groups.
Look at the increasing surrender of our civil courts to the Syariah courts.
I am not prepared to accept this hijacking of our nation by a small group who would hoodwink us into believing that they represent the majority in this country.
If you, Muslim or not, are also not ready to put up with these hijackers, you cannot choose to remain silent anymore.
Silence is no longer an option.
You must speak up.
You must make this an election issue.
His Constitutional Watch made me realise how vulnerable our constitution is
The Get to know your MP is his initiative to gather people from constituencies to approach their sitting MP for clarification as to his personal stand on those issues
He has a series on Lina, why the controversy?
All worth reading and pondering over.
and please, when it's time to cast your vote, MAKE A CHANGE
Wednesday, July 11, 2007
2 iphones which are SIM locked to AT&T
and the thing is, this budak had the audacity to write about it in his Sunday NST column! I wonder whether he realised how spoilt and bratty he sounded.
to quote him,
Yours truly, of course, is a bit of a tech geek. I wanted to line up with everyone else to get an iPhone but failed to convince the preggers wife to stand in line with me.
I began to give up and convinced myself there was no point getting it anyway. The iPhones sold in the US are locked by the exclusive carrier, AT&T, which requires buyers to subscribe to a two-year plan in order to activate every function of the phone, including its iPod features.
This means that any cunning plan to buy the iPhone in the US and then take it back home and just simply switch SIM cards would obviously not work.
A few days later, I was in an Apple store buying something else when by chance the cashier told me they had just received a fresh delivery of the Holy Grail. I didn’t even blink or breathe before paying for two (the max one person is allowed to buy) 8GB models.
After the initial elation, I had to deal with the reality that I had bought a phone that doesn’t work, with no indication of when a network tie-up will be announced in Malaysia, since Apple will only release the iPhone with a network partner instead of normal mobile phones that come unlocked for any carrier.
What could be more frustrating than staring at an iPhone that just stares back blankly at you? I told Nori, there’s no point being a tech geek if you’re not willing to go all the way. So I went online and signed up for an AT&T plan to unlock my phone.
Are you getting this "what a brat!" vibes like i'm getting?
i want! i want! i want!
it doesn't work in M'sia, boy..
i still want! i still want! i still want!
Tuesday, July 10, 2007
However, Speaker Ramli Ngah Talib reasoned that “it (slaughtering) is a common practice and not unusual during dinners.”
Well, roast pigs are a traditional part of Chinese weddings.
Does this mean that when MsCiliPadi gets married, Lulu can sponsor a roast pig and have it delivered to Parliament to celebrate the joyous occasion?
Don't worry. Lulu has better upbringing and does not believe in tit for tat.
That was just food for thought.
Sunday, July 08, 2007
*blink* and you would have missed it.
Has something like this happened to you or anyone you know?
Are you tired and angry with living in fear?
Do you have a personal experience to share?
What about constructive suggestions or views on how to safeguard ourselves on crime?
If you have something to share, or want to listen and learn from other people's experience, please make your way to
Public Hearing on Crime in Klang Valley
by Parliamentary Human Rights Caucus
Date: July 11, 2007 (Wednesday)
Time: 8.00pm – 10.30pm
Venue: Dewan Sivik, Majlis Perbandaran Petaling Jaya (MBPJ)
"We want the public to take this opportunity to voice their suggestions and opinions." Datuk Seri Nazri Aziz, Minister in Prime Minister's Department
Caucus MPs present will include:
YB Datuk Seri Nazri Aziz, Caucus Chairman,
YB Lim Kit Siang, Parliamentary Opposition Leader,
YB Datin Seri Dr Wan Azizah Wan Ismail, MP for Permatang Pauh.
All are welcome to express your views, and make written submissions. Admission is free.
The Hall can occupy 1,000 people, hence for those who can make it, please do so to make a point on the seriousness of the issue of crime in our cities.
Friday, July 06, 2007
However, an indignant Siti Noor Idayu Abd Moin, 22, said she was wearing a sleeveless top and long pants when JAIP officers raided an entertainment outlet in Sunway City where she was performing on Tuesday.
“According to Islamic laws, a Muslim woman is not allowed to serve or entertain a man who is not her husband in a place where immoral activities usually take place,” he said.
Last week, blogsphere was discussing the silly question raised in parliament concerning the way the gp girls were dressed.
MarinaM gave what i thought was a very apt response to it
I'm more concerned about what 'pertinent legislation' the YB said we had that could be used against whoever. We have legislation that forbids us to dress a certain way? That's news to me. http://rockybru.blogspot.com/2007/06/mps-argue-about-gt-gals-attire.html
Now I know what pertinent legistlation they would use.
Today, the Muslims, tomorrow, maybe Lulu.
yes Alice, your little town is safe.
All that you have fought for is worth it.
You can now breathe easy.
Incinerator project officially scrapped
Jul 6, 07 11:02am
The controversial Broga incinerator project is definitely off. The residents of Kampung Broga, Semenyih finally got this confirmation through a letter from the Housing and Local Government Ministry yesterday. Today the same letter was submitted to the Shah Alam High Court where a suit by the residents against the government demanding full disclosure of the project was to have been heard.
and for the rest of us, take it as an example that sometimes, when David fights Goliath, David does win.
Thank You Broga, for showing us that the battle NEEDs to be fought, and can be won.
On June 21st, it was reported that hot after the crimewave which hit JB, Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak, who is also Defence Minister, and also at that time had assumed the additional task of Internal Security Minister in the absence of Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, who is was in Russia announced that
Four hundred more cops in the streets, RM6mil for three new temporary district police headquarters and 200 more police vehicles for patrolling – these are among the measures approved by the Cabinet yesterday to clean up Johor Baru after the recent spate of violent crimes there.Lulu started thinking and thinking and thinking.
Then Lulu realised
400 more cops
did our police force suddenly get 400 more recruits?
or did they pinch the 400 from existing police districts?
is this a sum zero game, whereby JB's gain is exactly balanced by the losses of many other small towns?
I can only hope that they didn't pinch them from where Lulu hangs out.
and speaking of the police force, ChinTong at Malaysiana posted the breakdown of the police force in our nation.
If Lulu's not mistaken, perjawatan is positions, whereas kekuatan is the actual take up.
Note the number who are in the actual police work vs management and logistics.
Also, Cawangan Khas vs Siasatan Jenayah
ChinTong further asks the rhetorical question, Where have all the police gone? Check it out.
Also, the Parliamentary Human Rights Caucus public hearings on the issue of crime will be held on Wed, July 11 from 8.30 pm, at the Civic Center in State. The public hearings were mooted following a drastic increase in crime, after a series of robbery and gang-rape cases occurring mainly along the highway and near petrol stations in Johor over the last two months.
Thursday, July 05, 2007
The target market of the Setemku service are couples planning to marry as they can paste the personalised stamps on their wedding invitation and reply cards; celebrities, high-end customers and clubs.
It caused confusion amongst the public, especially the foreigners.
They did not know which side of the stamp to spit on.
The locals however, had no problem. They knew exactly which side to spit on. But they had difficulty in gluing the stamps on the envelopes.
Wednesday, July 04, 2007
Tun Majid: What did Abdul Razak tell you?
Siti Aisyah: Abdul Razak told me that something bad had happened. I asked him what happened. He told me that Aminah was dead. I was shocked. Abdul Razak asked me, “Do you know who did it?” I asked who. He then said, “Azilah did it.”
Tun Majid: Did you ask who is Azilah?
Siti Aisyah: I was quite confused. Abdul Razak answered, “The UTK guy who came the other day. His name is Azilah.”
Siti Aisyah is secretary to political analyst Abdul Razak Baginda
Tun Majid Tun Hamzah pula is the deputy public prosecutor
so, this sets Lulu wondering.
Can I go bisik to Altantuya's father, telling him that it was a very high level conspiracy carried out by some UTKs under the orders of ___ [up to you-la, who you want to name]
and then after that, can Altantuya's father go to court and repeat this hearsay?
What do you think?
and whilst we're at it, instead of banning raunchy shows and blurring out longkangs and not allowing Shindlers List, Prince of Egypt etc to be shown, they should instead ban Law & Order, Boston Legals etc cos these shows reveal to the Malaysian public what bumbling bees we have in the Public Prosecutor's office.
Tuesday, July 03, 2007
Rohani, who was replying on behalf of the Science, Technology and Innovations Ministry, also said the astronaut would also do batik painting and making teh tarik.
a search on wikipedia reveals that
More affordable suborbital space tourism is viewed as a money-making proposition by several other companies, including Space Adventures, Virgin Galactic, Starchaser, Blue Origin, Armadillo Aerospace, XCOR Aerospace, Rocketplane Limited, the European "Project Enterprise", and others. Most are proposing vehicles that make suborbital flights peaking at an altitude of 100-160 kilometres. Passengers would experience three to six minutes of weightlessness, a view of a twinkle-free starfield, and a vista of the curved Earth below. Projected costs are expected to be about $200,000 per passenger.
Monday, July 02, 2007
UM out to woo foreign students
In Y2004, UM was ranked 89th in the THES report. Everyone was happy-happy, proud-proud.
In 2005, it dropped to 169th position, when it was realised that local Chinese like Lulu and local Indians were categorised as foreign students, and that mis-assumption was corrected.
In 2006, not only did the ranking drop to 192, worse still, we were dethroned from being the #1 university in Malaysia, losing out to UKM.
Ouch! For Lulu, that hurts more than being 192.
Higher Education Minister Datuk Mustapa Mohamed was quoted as saying, recruiting international students was to improve its rank in world university rankings, such as the Times Higher Education Supplement’s (THES) World University Rankings.
can you beat that?
of all the reasons to bring in foreign students?
of all the methods to raise our ranking?
Whilst the THES scoring and results is much debated over, it may be worthwhile to look at the critereas they use.
THES scoring is allocated in this manner
Peer Review 40%
Composite score drawn from peer review (which is divided into five subject areas)
Citations per Faculty 20%
Score based on research performance factored against the size of the research body
Recruiter Review 10%
Score based on responses to recruiter survey
International Faculty 5%
Score based on proportion of international faculty
International Students 5%
Score based on proportion of international students
Student Faculty 20%
Score based on student/faculty ratio
Lulu is wondering,
WHy not improve graduate employability?
Whether it's 80,000 or 18,000 unemplyed graduates, why not equip them better for the marketplace?
Peer review - sigh... our better academics would like to stay in negaraku, but the conditions of the university, the opportunities for promotion, the frustrations faced have forced many of the new generation to go elsewhere. The good peers are going-going-gone.
Citations, research - if Lulu's not mistaken, UM doesn't even put out the research done by their academics, because, well... you guess...
Why not improve on these three?
WHen these are improved, UM will be a university of choice, even for the foreign students. We don't need to go all out offering the schoplarships to come here. The name in itself will bring them here.
Let's be honest with ourselves, and do the right thing for the right reason.
In moments like this, Lulu wishes she was the Education Minister.
for further reading,
Times Higher Education Supplement
THES - QS World University Rankings - Methodology
Universiti Malaya: 89th or Nowhere? from the boys in Education in M'sia. Check out the related links too