Wednesday, May 30, 2007

Lulu, Lina and Their Lord

From the Bible, the book of Acts, Chapter 11
19Now those who had been scattered by the persecution in connection with Stephen traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, telling the message only to Jews.
20Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus.
21The Lord's hand was with them, and a great number of people believed and turned to the Lord.

I do feel very sad for Lina Joy.
but I also take comfort that the Lord's hand is with Lina Joy and her boyfriend.
The Federal Court's ruling that she remains a Muslim and her religious status will not be removed from her identity card, does not necessarily equate to No Joy For Lina Joy.

As long as Lina is in the Lord, there will be joy.


Anonymous said...


The spiritual journey always begin in the heart and don't need to carry an IC. Labels and status identity belong to mediocre mindsets.

Anonymous said...

"Religion is the idol of the mob, it adores eveything it does not understand." (Quote: Federick the Great)


"No religion can be built on force." (Quote George Sands).

How true. Madmonk

Anonymous said...

""No TRUE religion can be built on force." "

Where fear is, love is not.

It's that simple.


lucia said...

as long as her heart stays true to the religion she wanted, there is joy in her.

though the word 'islam' can't be deleted off her IC but her heart still remains a christian.

Anonymous said...

This is her call and I always believe that there should never be any compulsion in religion. persecution will only strengthen and not weaken her faith.

Anonymous said...

If and when Lina comes back, her next stop will be an initial 100 days internment (courtesy of the government)in a Pusat Pemulihan Akidah, to be extended if she turns out to be "uncooperative"

Ko-chi Wai said...

it's beyond just a matter of believing in her heart. someone commented elsewhere that it impairs her ability to lead a normal life like all of us...the ability to worship freely, the ability to marry the man of her choice, the ability to have children of her own. looks like she can only do all that outside of the country. i am not optimistic at all she will be let off by the sharia court even if she decides to go best they'll throw her into some concentration camp somewhere to rot.

Anonymous said...

All the fuss and frus will be forgotten, come buy election time except Lina Joy herself. Will anybody cast their votes on this platform as a personal choice in the elections, I doubt it!!

Anonymous said...

Plentiful comments:


tankiasu said...

Let us pray for our sister-in-Christ Lina Joy, as well as our Muslim friends in this country.

team BSG said...

looks like in Malaysia at least Islam and politics mean the same thing ( and we are not talking about religion )

tkh said...

The chief judge said, "You can't at whim and fancy convert from one religion to another."

I was wondering if it was also as troublesome to convert from non-Muslim into Muslim. But judging from all that piece-of-cake conversion into Muslim by many throughout the years, I don't think it's difficult at all. In fact the religion is happy to welcome more followers.

It's clearly (socio-)political. And the judges know it. But that's Malaysia at her best.

I think there is a general fear of the consequences if the verdict had been otherwise - even more young Muslims are going to leave the religion. To prevent that from happening, the judges had no choice but to go against their own conscience.

Is it another way of admitting the fact that are many Muslims are are happy to leave the religion?

Anyway, the verdict makes Muslim, the government, the courts, the Constitution, the country of Malaysia all too hypocritical.

Anonymous said...

Thousands of Malays have converted to Christianity. Lina Joy and Azhar Mansur and hundreds of others.

Why is it bothering you Lina? was my reply. The reply sums up my view towards this issue.

Religious conversions happen everyday. All religions are always in a state of flux. The Javanese converted en-masse to Islam from Hinduism and Buddhism. You are talking about hundreds of millions. The Malays of the Old Philippines converted to Christianity en-masse leaving just the Moros to profess Islam.

And now an issue is being created just because of Lina Joy or just because of the hundreds or thousands of Malays converting to Christianity.

I am against this Syariah law for apostasy. I believe there is no compulsion in religion. In Malaysia, The Constitution is Quran compliant but the Syariah is not. The Syariah is the Law for political Islam, the Law of the Land for the Islamists who happen to be the majority in the land. Unless we have a Malay Kamal Atartuk, or a suddenly enlightened conference of Malay rulers, I do not for-see the Syariah Law being changed.

Let them be, could be the most pragmatic answer I could think of.

That answer is not of course the most ideal solution but that is the answer we could live with.

I do not know about Lina Joy, but I know that, if the claim that Azhar Mansur is a Christian, the Dato is as free as a bird, enjoying much more freedom in Langkawi than many urbanites.

Nobody has persecuted him, nobody has declared that his blood is halal or kosher. I do not even bother to ask if it is true.

That Kamariah of Ayah Pin fame, denounced Islam yet she is free and has not been burnt on the stake.

A smart Malay Christian would not bother challenge the information and data on his or her identity card. By keeping that his rights is enshrined in the constitution.

The constitution defines a Malay as one who professes Islam and practices and subscribes to the Malay way of life. simple. I won’t bother to change! God would not bother me.

Unless we are dreaming of utopia. Unless we want to challenge the Constitution, the part that says that matters pertaining to Islam is under the jurisdiction of the Syariah Law. Then the Muslims have their rights to question the motive of the ongoing court case because it is their law. To change the Constitution we need two-third majority. Easy and fair.

All religions are flexible. The Jews were persecuted. Exodus!! God decreed. The Christians were persecuted by the Romans. Go travel the land and seek the bounty of God. Muhammad was persecuted by the Meccans. HIjra!! God said.

The Muslim of Spain were persecuted by the Inquistidor. Some fled to Morocco but many remained to be burnt on the stakes and the surviving ones converted to Christianity officially and unofficially.

It was recorded in the book on the Spanish inquisition that when General Franco took over power from Feudal Spain, a few families declared themselves as Muslims. They were Muslims with Spanish identity Cards which officially identified them as Christians. They revealed their true identities after 400 years.

Are you being persecuted Lina Joy? If you are, I assure you there are many muslims who would come to your aid and defend you!!!